Mathia Lee ~ Plans and Preoccupations

An experimental liberal Christian conversation meetup : all are invited

Posted in Life Update, religion by mathialee on March 31, 2010

I’ve just handed in my thesis to the University today! Feels fantastic! There’s been one idea I’ve been toying with, but never really got around to doing anything about it. Since my thesis is over, I’m in a crazy enough mood to actually do something about it!

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Actually it isn’t my idea. Many times over the last year, when people discuss stuff like the AWARE takeover, the whole Rony Tan fiasco, the sex abuses within the Catholic Church, the mega church business etc…….. someone would bring up jokingly at some point  “Someone should just start a new church”

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Well I don’t know about a new church, because institutions just make my hair stand. On the other hand, over the last year, many conversation groups have popped up http://mathialee.wordpress.com/recommended-conversation-groups/

I suppose the connectivity that FB, twitter, blogs etc have created has enabled strangers in this tiny island of ours with the same interests to simply get together and chat.

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So. The idea.

If you’re a Christian who’s wondering if you’re the only one who is not gay (or gay) but  thinks that gays should have rights, if you’re wondering if people can get to heaven if they don’t quite agree or understand everything the Bible says, if you believe that doubt is not the opposite of faith, if you think Christianity needs more focus on social justice, if you think Christians should look critically at different interpretations  etc etc………all kinds of variations

AND you’ll like to get to know other people who can offer even more variations of Christianity (actually you DON”T have to be a Christian to come to offer more variations of Christianity;  you just have to be someone who would like to discuss about variations and find nothing’s too controversial to be discussed)…..

OR maybe you’re just curious and want to listen rather than talk. That’s allowed too =)

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let’s just get together to discuss! Shall we?

I’m just gonna arbitrarily choose a random timeslot:

Title: (as submitted for venue booking. Please use this name):
Liberal Philosophy Discussion

Date: Saturday 10th April (NOT this Easter Saturday but the next Sat)

Time: 10 30am – 12 30pm

Venue: Substation, one of the Classrooms upstairs (follow signs on that day)

I’ve called them up today (Wednesday 7th Apr) and they’ve confirmed the booking =)

No. of spaces available: (substation classroom holds 25)

Now I’m going to breakaway completely from the tradition of churches or even discussion groups here.

I’m not going to be personally inviting anyone, other than putting this idea up here.

I’m not going to ask anyone to RSVP at all – ANYONE can turn up.

I’ll just book the room, and if nobody turns up, I’ll just read my book. If one person turns up, we have a conversation. If 100 turns up, we’ll squeeze. If 1000 turns up…… well I think that would be a miracle and we’ll figure out something lah!

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Topic:

-          Introductions , getting to know one another, what we want, why, where we come from etc

-          Exploring if there’s any room in Sg for liberal Christianity, or how can we make room, and what we’ld like to do with this room

- The official description I’ve put down on the form:

“Philosophy discussion group: discussing the layman’s interpretation of all types of art forms through liberal philosophy, and discussing the implications it has on the private individual’s choices and beliefs. “

You might have noticed I am taking a very liberal definition of “art forms”, which includes messages we hear from the media, from the pulpit(performing arts) and other religious platforms, art (including religious art and texts which pervades through all artistic expression in all cultures. ). “Individual’s choices and beliefs” ..again I take a liberal definition where all societies and communities are made up of a collection of individual choice of action and belief.

-          Any other topic we collectively gravitate towards

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Etiquette

(I’m gonna borrow from the Singapore Humanists because I love it so much)

Speak pleasantly and politely,
- Have honesty and courage in expressing our beliefs and viewpoints,
- Listen attentively,
- Respect and acknowledge the contribution of every speaker and even if one disagrees,
- Wait for a speaker to finish what they are saying before we speak,
- Share personal experiences rather than make general statements about groups of people (stereotyping),
- Are careful in not misrepresenting or disparaging other’s beliefs and viewpoints, no matter how difficult we might find in accepting them,
- Correct misunderstandings or misrepresentations not only of our own beliefs but also of other beliefs whenever we come across them.

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Cost:

None. I’m footing the bill for the venue.

If you’ll like, bring food (I can’t cater cos I genuinely have no idea how many will turn up, if at all)

Bring your own name tag, writing material, paper, if you like to communicate by writing.

Bring your own musical instrument, book, laptop, toy etc if you would like to.

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What happens next? Will there be a next one?

I sincerely don’t know.

It’ll depend on what those who turn up think.

FAQs below in the comments, based on comments received

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  1. Weiye said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:29 am

    is there fb event or group for this?

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  3. heathen said, on April 1, 2010 at 11:49 am

    If you want to break away from traditions, then why call it church at all? Why not re-examine this very notion itself?

  4. Rabbit said, on April 1, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    ISD, the police and government people will be there. Make sure you provide coffee and yu teow for them

    For generous of you.

  5. apple said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    what’s your thesis.?maybe can share in your next post.

  6. mathialee said, on April 1, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    FAQ, based on comments received:

    Q: is there fb event or group for this?
    A: Well, I didn’t and am not intending to create any. Anyone else has the right & liberty to take matters into your own hands independently of me!

    Q: If you want to break away from traditions, then why call it church at all? Why not re-examine this very notion itself?
    A: Actually if you read my post again, that’s precisely why I am NOT calling it church. It’s a conversation group. Meaning, the whole idea is to hear all the different points of views, and then it’s up to the individuals whether/what they want to digest & consider, and what they eventually want to believe.

    I think it’s a FANTASTIC idea to re-examine what’s a “church”.
    If there are subsequent meetings, or if we ever meet up again for lunch or something, yeh, it’ll be nice to discuss =) Or else, anyone can take it away and discuss with whoever else. Your pastor for eg. ; )

    Q: ISD, the police and government people will be there. Make sure you provide coffee and yu teow for them. For generous of you.
    A: To answer the easier question, nope, as mentioned, no food provided. I can’t cook and it’s too stressful to cater.

    Actually you’re right. Anyone can come, and I’ve no way of tracking cos I’m not gonna create a way too. Too lazy lah ;) Plus, it’s too tempting to start stereotyping if I do.

    But don’t you think it’s interesting if the ISD , police etc will be there? Hopefully there’ll be pastors, jobless people, theologians, atheists etc too. Cos everyone’s view will be different, based on their own experience and reality.

    I’ll love to discuss the “Religion & boundaries” topic with these people! So far it’s just the fundies and the liberals who’ve been talking.

    One note tho’. If anyone is intending to come and pull rank based on your job or degree, you might be disappointed. Let’s create a space where the views of an illiterate woman is as valid as the Pope’s for good conversation. And no one is inerrant.

    Q: Are non-believers allowed?
    I think this in itself is a great topic to be discussed in any possible future meetings.
    Sub-topics to this question: How do we define ‘believers’? Do we need to define them? Why? What are they allowed? Etc
    As for this round…..well, I can’t impose or enforce anything ;)

    Q: Who’s speaking?
    No one. Everyone.
    I’m not “the speaker”.
    My role will only be this
    - Write this blog post
    - Book the room
    - Pay for the room
    Anything else : it’s in your hands. Including arranging the chairs. So be prepared to sit on the floor because no one might.

    =D

  7. mathialee said, on April 1, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    thanks for asking apple =)
    i might do just that , depends on mood lah ; )

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  9. Yvonne said, on April 10, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Hi Mathia,
    I was interested to join in, but got called into work! I’d be interested to know how it went =) Thanks for setting this up!


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